Friday, February 15, 2008

Act II, Scene 3

  • Discuss the antithesis in Friar Laurence's opening lines.
  • Discuss the characterization of Romeo as inferred from Friar Laurance's reaction to Romeo's 'confession'.
  • Discuss one of the themes present in the scene.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

What do you think made Romeo stop by Friar Laurence, and why do you think Romeo told him about his love for Juliet?

Anonymous said...

Discuss the characterization of Romeo as inferred from Friar Laurance's reaction to Romeo's 'confession'.

The reaction of Friar Laurance towards Romeo's confession that he no longer loves Rosaline, but now his heart beats for Juliet reveals that he thinks Romeo is a vacillating and unreliable person. His response, "thou and these woes were all for Rosaline. And art thou changed? (I iii 78-79). Through this statement we can see Friar Laurences shock that Romeo has already forgotten the woman he had weeped for so greatly. This shock allows Friar Laurences to conclude that "women may fall when there's no strength in men" (i iii 80). In other words, "you can't expect women to be faithful when men are so unreliable" (101). Based on Romeo's actions, he consummates that his changes of love, portrays his flucuating and his irresolute mind.

Anonymous said...

brian k. said...
What do you think made Romeo stop by Friar Laurence, and why do you think Romeo told him about his love for Juliet?


Romeo stopped by Friar Lawrence to get his help to marry Juliet. In Act 2, Scene 2 Rome says to Juliet, "Hence will I to my ghostly friar's close cell, His help to crave and my dear hap to tell." (94, Act 2, Scene 2.) Romeo is saying that he will go to his priest to gain his help and to tell him of his fortunate luck. Rome told Friar Lawrence about his love for Juliet because he wants Friar Lawrence to marry them in secret. Rome tells Friar Lawrence, "As mine on hers [juliet], so hers is set on mine, And all combined, save what thou must combine By holy marriage. When and where and how.." (100, Act 2, Scene3). Rome is telling Friar Lawrence that they love each other in every way imaginable and he needs Friar Lawrence to marry them as soon as possible. Therefore Rome turner to Friar Lawrence to marry Juliet and himself as quick as a whip!

Anonymous said...

When Rome is discussing his plans with Friar Lawrence, Friar Lawrence says, "For this alliance may so happy prove To turn your households' rancor to pure love." (102, Act 2, Scene 3). Friar Lawrence is telling Romeo that maybe Rome and Juliet coming together through marriage will end the animosity between the two families and turn it into love. What is Shakespeare foreshadowing to the readers, since he has already provided us with how the story will end ?

Anonymous said...

What do you think made Romeo stop by Friar Laurence, and why do you think Romeo told him about his love for Juliet?


In my opinion the only reason Romeo had for visiting Friar Laurence to tell him about his love for Juliet was to use Friar to marry himself and Juliet. Romeo tells Friar, "plainly know my heart's dear love is set On the fair daughter of rich Capulet." (ii iii 57-58) I think he used his love for Juliet to persuade Friar to marry them off, because almost immediatly following his confession he asks for Friar's help to marry them off. When he agrees to carry out this task Romeo says, "Oh, let us hence. I stand on sudden haste." (ii iii 93) This shows me that all Romeo needed from Friar Laurence was help with marrage. It seemed to me that he was almost being used as a stool for a toddler to get to the cookie jar.

Anonymous said...

Answering brian k.'s question:What do you think made Romeo stop by Friar Laurence, and why do you think Romeo told him about his love for Juliet?

I think that Romeo stopped by Friar Laurence because he not only wants to share his love for Juliet with someone who is a nutural party in the family arguements, but because he is trying to show Friar Lawrence that he has taken his advice and forgotten Rosaline. When Romeo says "And badest me bury love."(line 83)he is trying to prove to Friar Lawrence that he has done the right thing and done what he had been told. He tells Friar Lawrence of his love for Juliet to persuade him to marry them, and to brag that he has finally found someone who loves him too. When Romeo states "Her I love now Doth grace for grace and love for llove allow. The other did not so."(lines 85-88), he is trying to almost brag to Friar Lawrence that he has found someone who loves him, and he also states this fact to show that Friar Lawrence should marry them because he is finally lucky in love, as he hasnt been before. He uses Friar Lawrence obvious liking of him [Romeo] to sway his opinion in marrying the ill-fated lovers.

Anonymous said...

Awnsering Brian K's ? XD

Maybe the reason Romeo went to tell Friar Lawrence the love he had for Juliet is to help Friar Lawrence to prepare for their wedding and maybe for a person that Romeo can have as support, someone who agrees that he [Romeo] is doing the right thing, and since he is a church person he is trustworthy. Since there really isn't any support for Romeo's reason to marry a Capulet at the Montague residence and Mercutio maybe was unavailable at the moment who better to tell than a friar.

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Anonymous said...

After Romeos confession of no longer loving Rosaline, the girl he weaped over for days, but he now loves a new girl, Juliet his enemy, lead Friar Lawrence to believe that Romeo is an unreliable man. Romeo should not expect Juliet to be loyal to him if he is going to keep falling in love with different girls, and being unreliable. "But come on, inconsistent young man, come with me. I'll help you with your secret wedding." Even though Friar Lawrence thinks that Romeo needs to change his act, and realize what love is, the Father will marry them because it might help their families love eachother and not be enemies.

Anonymous said...

Since Romeo asked Friar Laurance to marry Juliet and himself, do you think that Lord Capulet would approve? Based upon his reaction when Tybalt told him that Romeo came to the party.

Anonymous said...

answering brain's question


Romeo went to Friar Laurence to make him marry Juliet and himself. He told Friar Laurence about his love towards Juliet as the reason to marry Juliet.

Anonymous said...

Student Question

What is the reason Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love?

Anonymous said...

Answer to Student Question: What do you think made Romeo stop by Friar Laurence, and why do you think Romeo told him about his love for Juliet?

Romeo's first stop about Juliet is Friar Lawrence because of his gentle nature. Friar Lawrence is opened in a scene preparing herbs for medicines, wondering politely outloud about how useful they are. This respect for the earth can be said to reflect his compassion to people, which is why he is a good conversation for Romeo in his new dilema. He chides Romeo gently saying, "Holy Saint Francis, what a change is here! Is Rosaline, whom thous dist love so dear, So soon forsaken? Young men's love then lies, Not truly in their hearts, but in their eyes."

Anonymous said...

Farhana H. said...
Student Question

What is the reason Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love?

Friar Lawrence is surprised when he hears of Romeo's new love because not too long ago Romeo was in pieces over Rosaline not "loving" him back and now he says, "Then plainly know my heart's dear love is set on the fair daughter of rich Capulet" (II iii 59-60). Friar Lawrence is surprised becuase Romeo has forgotten all about Rosaline and is in "love" with Juliet.

Anonymous said...

Answering Farhana H.'s ?

Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's mew love because just days ago Romeo was still upset about Rosaline. Frair Lawrence describes how upset Romeo was, and he said "' How much salt water thrown away in waste'" (2,iii,71). Frair Lawrence is surprised how quickly Romeo has forgotten Rosaline and moved on he even says "' ..an old tear that is not washed off yet'" (2,iii,76). This is showing that Romeo has found new love quicker than what Frair Lawrence expected.

Anonymous said...

Farhana H. said...
Student Question

What is the reason Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love?


The reason Friar Lawrence was suprised about Romeo's new love because Friar Lawrence knew how much Romeo loved Rosaline, and expecting that his love would last,Romeo shocked Friar Lawrence because in one day he had another "true love". Friar Lawrence had known Romeo had "washed thy sallow cheeks for Rosaline" and in just meeting another girl Romeo described their hearts "as mine[Romeo's] on hers, so hers [Juliet's] on mine" Since Romeo states that his heart has been taken again Friar Lawrence told Romeo that his heart should not be "in a grave, to lay one in, another one out to have." In other words Friar Lawrence was suprised that Romeo not only fell out of love, but fell in love with someone else. Because of his rash feelings, Romeo suprises Friar Lawrence with his new found love

Anonymous said...

In responce to Chris L.'s question: "Since Romeo asked Friar Laurance to marry Juliet and himself, do you think that Lord Capulet would approve? Based upon his reaction when Tybalt told him that Romeo came to the party."
No, I do not think that Lord Capulet would accept his daughter marrying Romeo. The reason Lord Capulet did not let Tybalt tear Romeo to peices was to save face.
Lord Capulet tells his cousin
"I would not for the wealth of all the town
Here in my house do him disparagement" (Act I, Scene 5, Line 67-68).
Keep in mind that this was a highly established family, if they had attacked a member of the Montague family during a celebration expecially they would have been shot down and the Montagues would have gotten sympathy. The entire reason of the original feud is probably long lost to the swirls of time, the whole thing is based on tradition they just hate each other because they do. Lord Capulet would not let his heir shatter the perfect hatred between Capulet's and Montague's, marriage would do just that.

Anonymous said...

Discuss the characterization of Romeo as inferred from Friar Laurance's reaction to Romeo's 'confession'

I think that Friar lawrence thinks that Romeo is capricious. When Friar Lawrence says "Young men's love, then, lies not truly in their hearts, but in their eyes."
Friar thinks that he isnt thinking it through and that he keeps changing his mind too quickly.

Anonymous said...

Farhana H. said...
What is the reason Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love?

Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love because he was just crying and being depressed about Rosaline and saying that no one could ever be as good as her but then all of a sudden he wants to get married to Juliet.

Anonymous said...

Discuss the antithesis in Friar Laurence's opening lines.

By contrasting factors of good and bad, Friar Lawrence foreshadows to the reader how Romeo and Juliet's relationship will turn out to be a catastrophe in the future. By saying that "Virtue itself turns vice, being misapplied, and vice sometime by action dignified" (Page 96, Lines 21 and 22), Friar Lawrence is stating that good morals can sometimes be misused and turned into impure actions. Later, Friar Lawrence says that his flowers "being smelt, with that part cheers each part; being tasted, stays all senses with the heart" (Pg. 96, Lines 25 and 26), in order to hint the relationship between the sweet flower and the beautiful Juliet. By relating the flower to Juliet, it is inferred that she is a beautiful girl on the outside, but will cause pain or death when you dedicate your affection to her.

Anonymous said...

Response to teacher question "Discuss the antithesis in Friar Laurence's opening lines."
The antithesis in Friar Laurence's opening lines is talking about the morning and the night. In his very first lines the monk says "The gray-eyed morn smiles on the frowning night, Checkering the eastern clouds with streaks of light..."(II,3,1-2). The 'gray-eyed morn' means the sun who just got up from bed, is smiling at the frowning night. Showing that the sun smiles, even fresh out of bed tells us that Father Laurence is more inclined to the wee hours of the morning. Even though he says the sun shines it "streaks" in the eastern clouds that it "checkers", when I hear checkering and streaks I think of a futile atempt to clean something so Shakespeare might not say that the morning is the perfect time, because it does not cleanse the land of the darkness.

Anonymous said...

in response to Farhana H.'s question
i think Friar lawrence has 2 reasons for him to feel so suprised.
1st because when romeo says" i have been feasting with my enemy. suddenly someone wounded me with love...i love rich capulets daughter. i love her, and she loves me." this may suprise him because they are mortal enemies capulets and montagues are like cats and dogs which they both fight at the sight of eeach other.

2nd reason is because of romeo's indicisive nature. he jumps from loving roseline to juliet in less than one night. "holy saint francis, what a change is here! is rosaline, who thou didst so love dear so soon forsaken?... the sun not yet thy sighs from heaven clears. he has an extreamly suprised expression. romeo spent so long moping about rosaline that friar says the sun hasn't even cleaned up his heavy sighs. that he jumped from one love to another so fast leaving the other buried under the sand even forgeting her name.

Anonymous said...

When Friar Lawrence states that "Two such opposed kings encamp them still, in man as well as herbs-- grace and rude will" (Pg. 96, Lines 27 and 28)", do you think he is foreshadowing how the 'innocent' relationship of Romeo and Juliet will turn out to cause violence in the future or is he talking about the ongoing Capulet and Montague dilemma?

Anonymous said...

Why did Friar Lawrence depict a flower as being 'beautiful' on the outside, but 'poisonous' when eaten? How does this relate to an event or character in the story?

Anonymous said...

Answering Brian K.s Question: What do you think made Romeo stop by Friar Laurence, and why do you think Romeo told him about his love for Juliet?

I think Romeo went to Friar Laurence ,first, to set up the wedding and ,Second, to confess to him for sinning. Because Juliet is a Capulet Romeo thinks he is sinning in loving her because his family are mortal enemys of her family, so practicaly there love is frobiddon. also Romeo visited Friar Laurence to Set up his and Juliets wedding.

Anonymous said...

Answer to Farhana H.'s student question:
What is the reason Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love?

In the beginning of the play, Romeo had been rejected by a beautiful girl by the name of Rosaline, and he felt as if he had no hope to carry on with his life. But soon after, Romeo met Juliet, who he felt was his true soulmate. After asking Friar Lawrence if he would wed them that day, the Friar is concerned about Romeo's impulsive decision to fall in love with another girl so quickly. But, he willingly agrees to marry the couple in hopes of settling the ongoing strife between the Montagues and Capulets.

Anonymous said...

answering Farhana's question:

Friar is very suprised to hear that Romeo was now 'in love' not just 'in love' with anyone, but in love with Juliet someone who he's just met. Friars so shock because he knew that just days ago Romeo did amit to being in love with Rosaline and now its Juliet he's fallen head over heels for within a few days and in which he tells Friar "Then painly know my heart's dear love is set On the fair daughter of rich capulet; ... I'll tell thee as we pass; but this I pray, That thou consent to marry us today" (56-64,Act 2, Sceen 3). By this Romeo ment that now his heart is set on the Capulets's rich daughter [Juliet]and as time passes each day he prays that its that time for them to marry.

Anonymous said...

answering mrs.Wells question:

Discuss the characterization of Romeo as inferred from Friar Laurance's reaction to Romeo's 'confession'.

answer:
Romeo's really serious when he tells Friar that he's in love with Juliet and when he explains the way he feels about her. When Friar response is, "Holy Saint Francis! What a change is here! Is Rosaline, that thou didst love so dear, So soon forsaken?"(65-68,Sceen 2, Act 3)meaning, oh gooodness! How he could change his feelings toward some one that quick. Wasn't it just Rosaline that he was mad in love with? you've forgotten her that fast? ... When Friar says this, Romeo's characterization changes quickly to very mellow because he realizes that Friar was right that he just admitted to being in love with Rosaline and that she was the one he was going to marry and now he's saying this about Juliet as well!

Anonymous said...

Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's newfound love because it was not long ago that he was so deeply in love with Rosaline. When Friar Lawrence shouts "Holy Saint Francis, what a change is here! Is Rosaline, whom thou didst love so dear, so soon forsaken?" he shows just how stunned he is to hear the news. By saying "so soon forsaken?"
the Friar shows how shocked he is that Romeo has given up on Rosaline so quickly.

Anonymous said...

Answering Farhana H’s Question:

What is the reason Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love?

Friar Lawrence is surprised about Romeo's new love for Juliet, because just a short time ago he was madly in love with Rosaline and could not be happy with out her. When Romeo spoke to Benvolio he confessed that, “She [Rosaline] is too fair, too wise, wisely too fair, To merit bliss by making me despair. She hath forsworn to love, and in that vow
Do I live dead that live to tell it now”(Act1, Scene1, lines215-218) Romeo is saying that Rosaline is the most beautiful women, wise, and making him despair. She has sworn off love and this makes him feel dead without her love, leaving him only to think of her love. Then when he is speaking to Friar Lawrence he is madly in love with Juliet and wants to marry her forgetting all about his love for Rosaline. As Romeo speaks to Friar Lawrence he exclaims that, “But come what sorrow can, It cannot countervail that exchange of joy That one short minute gives me in her [Juliet] sight. Do thou but close our hands with holy words, Then love-devouring death do what he dare, It is enough I may but call her mine”(Act2, Scene 6, lines3-8). Romeo’s statement is saying that no matter what sadness comes, one look at Juliet can make him blissful, while before this was true about Rosaline. In the lines that say, “Do thou but close our hands with holy words,” all Romeo wished was that Friar Lawrence married him and Juliet. As Romeo pronounced that, “…love-devouring death [can] do what he dare, It is enough I may but call her mine,” he is pronouncing that the death that destroys love does not matter and just being with Juliet will make all the bad okay. Romeo is satisfied as long as he has Juliet, and this surprises Friar Lawrence, because just a few days before he declared his love for Rosaline and was to depressed to do anything. When Romeo quickly switched from loving Rosaline to Juliet, it was similar to when in the movie, America’s Sweethearts, Eddie, played by John Cusack, quickly finds himself switching from loving Gwen, played by Catherine Zeta-Jones, to loving her little sister Kiki, played by Julia Roberts. In the movie Lee, Eddie’s assistant, was very surprised to find out about Eddie’s love for Kiki, because he had been so in love with Gwen, just a few days earlier, similar to in Romeo and Juliet.

Anonymous said...

Student question:
Do you think Friar Lawrence was correct in reprimanding Romeo for being "unreliable"?

Anonymous said...

Chris L said...
Since Romeo asked Friar Laurance to marry Juliet and himself, do you think that Lord Capulet would approve? Based upon his reaction when Tybalt told him that Romeo came to the party.

When you put it in the sense of remembering what Lord Capulet said about Romeo being at the Capluet Ball, it may not be big problem in the two getting married but, when you look back to the prologue it clearly states(well not in the exact words as mine but similar to) that they must die in order for their love to continue and for their families to stop fighting and arguing,

"From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
A pair of star-crossed lovers take their life,
Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
Doth with their death bury their parents' strife."

So, no i don't believe that Lord Capulet would be happy with the two of them[Romeo and Juliet] getting married. It was a party that Romeo had attended, Lord Capulet was probably having way too much fun, had a little TOO much to drink and as long as her was no where near himself[Lord Capulet] it was okay with him to party with them.

paige rene said...

Answering Brian K.'s question:

i think Romeo stopped by Friar Laurence's because he's known for being a "proponent of moderation, and always ready with a plan,...". Romeo probably shared his feelings with Friar because he trustes him enough not to let anyone else know. Friar is playing the peacemaker role and wants the families to come together in peace, so in his eyes Romeo & Juliet's marriage is basically a ticket to peace and an end to all the quarrels.

Anonymous said...

Why does Romeo want to beat up Tybalt?

Anonymous said...

Answering Matt G.:

Lawrence depicts the inside of a weak, little flower as having "poison (that) hath residence and medicine power" to show that things, can turn bad when used to an excess. It also shows that although you are with good intentions, you may get a bad effect and that although some things may have a useful purpose, like medicine, they can be used wrongly. The Friar also says about flowers that “…being tasted, with that part cheers each part; Being tasted, stays all senses with the heart” (Act 2, Scene 3, Pg. 96). This means that if you smell a flower, you smell a refreshing wonderful scent, but if you taste the flower, doom is upon you. This reveals that things are different than they may seem. It's almost like the saying, "Don't judge a book by its cover." Friar Lawrence reveals his look on life; there is a good and a bad to everything. This can be related to the death of Romeo and Juliet. Although the two lovers are passionate towards each other, there is an evil to their story.

Anonymous said...

Friar Lawrence was suprised at Romeo's new love because that Romeo's new love is a Capulet. Since they are forbiden to even speak to each other because they come from two rivalry familys who are not aloud to speak.

Anonymous said...

Friar Lawrence infers that Romeo is to easily changed. He has a deep love for one woman one minute and then the next second he has fallen in love with another and he says that he loves her more."Is Rosaline, whom thou didst love so dear,So soon forsaken? young men's love then lies Not truly in their hearts, but in their eyes." What he is saying here is that he thinks Romeo likes them just because they're hot and not because of who they actually are.

Anonymous said...

Answering Brian K.'s question:

I think that Romeo stopped by Friar Lawrence's because he will need his help in the end to get married with Juliet."And all combined, save what thou must combine By holy marriage" I think that Romeo knows that he and Juliet will have to be married secretely so he is trying to stay on good relations with the friar so he will agree to marry them.

Anonymous said...

Discuss the characterization of Romeo as inferred from Friar Laurance's reaction to Romeo's 'confession'.

Friar can charcterise Romeo as dumbfounded, leaving the one girl who he talked so much about for a women he just met "Young mens's love then lies Not truly in their hearts but in their eyes"(101).Friar is trying to say that Romeo is only falling in love with this new woman (Juliet) because she is pretty and Romeo is not looking into his heart for what he truly desires which makes friar think that Romeo is dumbfounded. Friar Laurance is just trying to help Romeo out not wanting Romeo's heart to be hurt anymore and making sure that Romeo is really and truly in love with this woman before they make a lifetime commitment.

Anonymous said...

Through Friar's reaction to Romeo's confession, Romeo gets characterized as one who does not truly loves, as "Young men's love then lies Not truly in their hearts, but in their eyes"(II,iii,67-68), meaning that Romeo to the friar only falls in love with the way the girl looks and is not truly loving the whole personality and traits and all other such attributes that sprout out true love. Romeo isn't really convincing of being in true love, having "these woes all for Roseline"(II,iii,76) until this night. Having switched loves within one night should portray Romeo as unfaithful. Romeo's future through the Friar's eyes might be that of today's celebrities, being divorced within a month because they only accounted looks and not compatibility with each other before they married.

Anonymous said...

The characterization of Romeo after his 'confession' to Friar Laurance and the priest's reaction is a young foolish man falling in love with one woman after another. It sees that Romeo had been informing the priest with his love for Rosaline, so when he comes forth saying he wishes to mary Juliet, Friar Laurence having no knowledge of her is very confused. "Is Rosaline, whom thou didst love so dear, so soon forsaken?" this shows just how the priest was puzzled of Romeo's fast new love.

Anonymous said...

connor b
In Friar Laurence's opening line he uses much antithesis because the word antithesis means the opposite of the thing you are speaking of, and because the Friar says, "the gray-eyed morn smiles on the frowning night," this is saying that the morning is replacing the night and the morning is the opposite of the night. The Friar goes on to say, "I must upfill this osier cage of ours with baleful weeds and precious-juiced flowers," this means that he needs to fill the basked with poisonous weeds and flowers that can be used for medicine. Because poisonoud thing are the exact opposite of medicine this is the antithesis that Friar Lawrence uses in the reaading.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think that Romeo chose to tell Friar the way he felt instead of anyone else? & do you think that Friar was any help to Romeo?