- Discuss an example of irony in the scene.
- Discuss one of the puns in the scene.
- Discuss Mercutio's curse.
- Again, what characteristic of Romeo seems to be his fatal flaw?
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Mercutio's curse took place right before he died and he cursed the Montague and the Capulet family. "A plague o' both of your houses! They have made worms' meat of me. I have it, And soundly too. Your houses!"(iii i 102-104) he exclaimed. Mercutio made this curse on both families because their hate for each other put and end to Mercutio's life and he wants revenge. This curse could also be used to forshadow the luck of the two families in the future, like a curse shaped the end of the book "Holes" by Louis Sachar. Perhaps, the curse is forshadowing Romeo and Juliet's untimely death!
The charasteristic of Romeo that appears to be his fatal flaw is his impulsiveness. In act 2 scene 3, Romeo insists on "sudden haste" (Act 2,Scene 3,74) to be married to Juliet, while Friar warns them to go "wisely and slow" (Act 2,Scene 3,74). Once Tybalt kills Mercutio, Romeo is filled with hatred. When Romeo meets Tybalt a little while later he exlaims, "fire-eyed fury be my conduct now" (act 3,scene 1,102). Romeo's fury is controlling his decisions, and cause him to fight Tybalt. Just like in act 2, Romeo lets his emotions take controll of his actions.
ANSWER: what characteristic of Romeo seems to be his fatal flaw?
A reoccuring flaw that Shakespeare establishes in Romeo is how he is somewhat bipolar. He acts one way, onw minute, and then the next minute he is totally different. For example, on page 142, after Romeo has been with Juliet, and while Tybalt is trying to fight Romeo, "But love thee better than thou canst devise, Till thou shalt know the reason of my love, And so, good capulate - which name I tender As dearly as my own - be satisfied." At this time, Romeo is pleased, and content with himself and his life. When Tybalt tells Romeo to "turn and draw," but Romeo politley tells Tybalt he is not interested, and he loves Tybalt.
Later in the same scene, after Tybalt strikes Mercutio, Romeo states, "This but begins the woe others must end." Here, Romeo is furious with Tybalt, and is cursing him.
This mood change is a Character Flaw in Romeo, since one minute he is content, filled with love, and the next minute he is full of rage, and refenge. Maybe this character flaw is the reasoning for a happening in the near futur. It might be fatal...
Question:
Romeo says to Tybalt, “But love thee better than thou canst devise. Till thou shalt know the reason of my love.” (142)
Why would Romeo act so gracious to his enemy, Tybalt?
Why does Prince tells Benvolio that Romeo is exiled? We know that Tybalt killed Mercutio, and Romeo killed Tybalt because he killed Mercutio. Why did the Prince show sympathy towards Romeo? Instead of him getting punished for commiting a murder. Does this sympathy of the Prince foreshadow anything?
Answering sylvia bernier Question:
Romeo says to Tybalt, “But love thee better than thou canst devise. Till thou shalt know the reason of my love.” (142)
Why would Romeo act so gracious to his enemy, Tybalt?
Romeo said that to Tybalt so that he could stop the fight. Romeo probably didn't want anyone to get hurt or get in some sort of trouble. Which is why I think Romeo acts graciously to Tybalt.
Romeo’s character flaw to care for others so greatly that he would go to dangerous means to avenge his loved ones is again portrayed in this scene. After Tybalt killed Mercutio, Romeo’s friend, Romeo comes back, a “newly entertained revenge,/And to ‘t they go like lightning, for ere I/Could draw to part them was stout Tybalt slain” (Act 3, Scene 1, 167-169). Romeo had killed Mercutio’s murderer, not thinking of the consequences in the impulsive revenge he sought. Had he not done this, and thought through his decisions more carefully, had he pondered what it might cost for him to take vengeance against those who were against him, his family, or his friends, he might not have been exiled, which led to his death. Overall, his acts of retribution contribute to what lead to his untimely death, serving as one of his major character flaws.
Irony
During the confrontaion with Tybalt Capulet, Romeo reveals his personality of being passionate about love, instead of revealing any desire to fight an arch enemy of the Montague house. When Tybalt attempts to start a duel, Romeo states that "I never injured thee, but love thee better than thou canst devise" (Act 3 Scene 1) to show Tybalt that violence is unreasonalble, for Romeo only wants love and peace between the Capulet and Montague houses. Ironically, Romeo's refusal to fighting resulted in what he was trying to prevent; violence and deaths of those who's "spirit[s] hath aspired the clouds" (Act 3, Scene 1) from the unneeded violence that took place that day.
Answer to Sylvia B.
When confronted by Tybalt, Romeo speaks passionately to him because he has now become part of his family, due to his marriage with Juliet just a few hours before. Although Tybalt feels confused when Romeo says "Till thou shalt know the reason of my love" (Act 1, Scene 3), Romeo states that they have become brother-in-laws by marriage, which means that a loving manner and resistance of quarrel is expected between the two relatives.
An example of irony in this scene is that while, Romeo is trying to keep peace with Tybalt, he ends up killing him. When Tybalt calls Romeo a villain(which was almost like a bad word back then) in the very beginning, Romeo responds to this rude comment lightly by saying, "I do protest I never injured thee, But love thee better than thou canst devise..."(Act 3, Scene 1, Pg.142). But, when Romeo comes between Mercutio and Tybalt fighting, he ironically causes his best friend's death. Romeo, drastically changes character, and seeks Tybalt to get even with him. Romeo's character change can be shown clearly when he slays Tybalt and cries out in revenge, "Away to heaven, respective lenity, and fire-eyed fury be my conduct now"(Act 3, Scene 1, Page 146).
Mercutios curse took place when Tybalt stabs Mercutio under Romeo’s arm, and as Mercutio falls, Tybalt and his men hurry away. After he gets wounded Mercutio exclaimes in his death fill voice “A plague o’ both your houses” (III.i.87), Which he curses both the Montagues and the Capulets, and Tybalt. This curse probably forshadows the families fate and luck.
Question:
What does the quote:
From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
A pair of star-crossed lovers take their life,
Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
Doth with their death bury their parents’ strife. . . .
O, I am fortune’s fool! . . .
Then I defy you, stars." Mean? and why is this quote so significant?
sylvia bernier(: said...
Question:
Romeo says to Tybalt, “But love thee better than thou canst devise. Till thou shalt know the reason of my love.” (142)
Why would Romeo act so gracious to his enemy, Tybalt?
Romeo most likely was so gracious to Tybalt because he relizes that he has killed Tybalt, Juliet's cousin. Also he is wondering what Juliet will think of him. Finally, the Prince, Escalus, said that he would execute any of the Capulets or Montagues if they disturbed the peace in Verona.
Answering Sylvia's Question:
The reason Romeo says this to Tybalt is because Romeo is one of him, what i mean is that Since he is know married to Juliet he is one of him, and also since he has married Juliet he has to love the entire familiy.
What is the dramatic irony in the scene when Romeo is on his knees refusing to draw with Tybalt?
answering Sylvia Bernier's question:
Romeo is acting gracious towards his enemy, Tybalt, because of the now connection between the two families. Since Romeo loves Juliet, he no longer wants to fight with her family. He wants the approval of her family and the love of Juliet, so he doesnt want to hurt one of her dearest relatives.
Answering sylvia bernier
Question: Romeo says to Tybalt, 'But love thee better than thou canst devise. Till thou shalt know the reason of my love." Why would Romeo act so gracious to his enemy, Tybalt?
I think that the reason for Romeo saying such words to Tybalt, is that though Tybalt is his enemy, he is in love with Juliet, who is very close to Tybalt. When he says, "but love thee better than thou canst devise," he is saying that he loves Juliet... so he will be gracious to Tybalt for that reason only.
Answering Sylvia's question:
Romeo acts so graciously to Tybalt because Tybalt is Juliets cousin. Romeo's deep love is shown here because Romeo is showing love for Tybalt instead of hatred. Even though Tybalt says "thou art a villian" (98), Romeo is still overcome with his love for Juliet and says, "and so good Capulet, which name i tender as dearly as my own" (99). The action of Romeo expressing his love for the Capulet name reveals his love for Juliet even more.
Answering Sylvia Bernier's question:
I think the reason Romeo acts so gracious to Tybalt is because he[Romeo] knows that Tybalt is a close relative to Juliet and if he kills or acts in a sinister way towards Tybalt, it may ruin things with him and Juliet and cause more family feud to make things even harder.
Connor B
anwser to sylvias question
The reason that Romeo is so nice to Tybalt is that he is now really part of the Capulet family, in that he married Juliet. He also does not want to get in a brawl and end up dead of banished. if he were to get banished he would not be able to love Juliet anymore so his life would be meaningless.
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